Mr. Anonymous: That's why Clinton, Boxer and Kennedy all supported the bill. It passed 98-0. Even Naral was not against it.
Mellankelly: You sneaky devil... it certainly isn't surprising that you've used misinformation in an attempt to get your point across. Perhaps this was an honest mistake but methinks it quite doubtful. The bill that passed was not the same as the original bill presented. Obama had this to say about the original bill:
"I have said repeatedly that I would have been completely in, fully in support of the federal bill that everybody supported - which was to say --that you should provide assistance to any infant that was born - even if it was as a consequence of an induced abortion. That was not the bill that was presented at the state level. What that bill also was doing was trying to undermine Roe vs. Wade. By the way, we also had a bill, a law already in place in Illinois that insured life saving treatment was given to infants."
And in case your issue is with reading comprehension (which is not optional), that was precisely my point... there was already a bill in place regarding the standard of care for infants. When BAIPA passed the Illinois legislature in 2005 it had added a clause that specifically stated that the legislation would have no effect on existing state abortion laws.
Mr. Anonymous: What kind of a monster are you?
Mellankelly: The kind that cares about women (including their mental and physical health) and the children/families they have, the kind that believes that the decision of whether or not to continue with any pregnancy is between the pregnant woman, her doctor and her loved ones... how positively evil of me. Hey, but kudos on the ad hominem attack... it's good to know that you dare not deviate from this anti-abortion tactic, no matter how unsuccessful it ends up being.
Art mystery possibly solved?
2 days ago
2 comments:
"I have said repeatedly that I would have been completely in, fully in support of the federal bill that everybody supported."
To Obama:
Then why did you oppose the 2003 bill Obama? which had the neutratlty clause? and was identical to the federal version?
There was language in the 2003 version that would not effect Roe or state laws. It's a smoke screen Obama. If you can't defend little babies that happen to survive the violent act of abortion, how are you going to protect on country as President? You're unfit to be President and you're a radical infanticide supporting monster.
Jasper
Both Federal and State bills imputed full rights to infants "born alive" and both have identical wording in a key paragraph which defines "born-alive" as meaning "breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles."
HOWEVER, the State bill contained this: "A live child born as a result of an abortion shall be fully recognized as a human person and accorded immediate protection under the law."
Bearing in mind that there is no such thing as "born alive abortions" and that the State bill was included with several other bills aimed at restricting access to abortion in Illinois, it is no wonder that a pro-choice Senator would not support it. It is also worthy to note that the Illinois State Medical Society also opposed this paragraph.
The Federal Bill contained the following: "Nothing in this section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being 'born alive' as defined in this section". Pro-choice lawmakers approved this bill only after this paragraph was added.
In 2005 the following was added to the State bill: "Nothing in this Section shall be construed to affect existing federal or State law regarding abortion" and "Nothing in this Section shall be construed to alter generally accepted medical standards." and it passed.
Clearly you are blinded by your bias (or perhaps you're just really lazy and rely on others to "feed" you what they deem relevant information) and have no qualms whatsoever about distorting the truth in order to attempt to get the point across that you just don't like abortion. Unfortunately you're left with zero credibility at that point.
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